Portfolio/Multi-Topic - Smoothing out progression: Weapon balancing, Hardmode ore balancing, Buff to base movement speed and also World generation options. (2024)

Solarpower said:

Yeah. To get all the players skip that thing and use something else they'll get through other completely in-game methods, like taking the better weapon from the character already beat the game.
Are you suggesting Terraria should lock the character to the map and drop map/characters exchange ability to ? In order to your precious "balancing" can actually work ?
Any "balancing" is useless till you can get anything anytime using just the methods the game presents to you !

Oh, Vampire Knives is the weapon I can never understand. Even pre all the nerfs it does literally nothing usefull whenever I've tried to use it. Small damage and HP restore so little you can barely see it and would die in a split seconds if you'll rely on Vampire Knives... If anything that thing needs it's buffs. Lots of buffs in every directions.

Sure. That's why we constantly see people ask if somebody's willing to give them Zenith so they'll be able to kill Empress of Light before Moon Lord and "I've start with Zenith" series on YouTube. "nobody" he said...

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You really, really don't understand how this game works. I am not even gonna continue, I am just gonna say that I am glad someone like you is not a member of Re-Logic.

Also, Vampire Knives are BROKEN, they heal 30 hp per second, thats equal to a greater healing potion every 5 seconds. They are so good that they don't even need a buff at all.

Meowlegend said:

Also, Vampire Knives are BROKEN, they heal 30 hp per second

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Sure thing. Don't forget those 10-15 monsters on the screean hitting you with -500 HP per second each. +30 HP is SO HUGE. I just can't even describe how huge it is ! Nerf it ! Drop whatever you are doing and nerf it ! Right now !

Solarpower said:

Sure thing. Don't forget those 10-15 monsters on the screean hitting you with -500 HP per second each. +30 HP is SO HUGE. I just can't even describe how huge it is ! Nerf it ! Drop whatever you are doing and nerf it ! Right now !

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Healing potions are completely useless and absolutely never have a place in any build ever and never will I guess. (Vampire knives restore hp 12 times faster than they do)

“Just don’t get hit lol” mfs when some of the bosses and events are too poorly designed to even nohit without cheesing the everloving out of them:

Dapling said:

Healing potions are completely useless and absolutely never have a place in any build ever and never will I guess. (Vampire knives restore hp 12 times faster than they do)

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Healing potions can be used after the combat. Vampire Knives can't and useless in combat too.

Solarpower said:

Healing potions can be used after the combat. Vampire Knives can't and useless in combat too.

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I thought you took 500 damage per second in combat though if you ever got hit? Which is it? Healing potions can’t heal you if you’re at full hp.

You probably should learn the meaning of the term “consistency” if you want to be taken seriously here.

Dapling said:

I thought you took 500 damage per second in combat though if you ever got hit? Which is it? Healing potions can’t heal you if you’re at full hp.

You probably should learn the meaning of the term “consistency” if you want to be taken seriously here.

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So ? You took 500 damage per second, die, respawn, wait till the monsters despawn and continue playing. What's not so consistent in that huh ?

Oh, I know, I know ! I forgot about Spectre armor. Yes ! Another presumably "healing" item that is totally useless...

Solarpower said:

So ? You took 500 damage per second, die, respawn, wait till the monsters despawn and continue playing. What's not so consistent in that huh ?

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alright. Then show instead of telling! If you basically have 1 hp in all bosses and events, then show us this by nohitting everything and providing video evidence of all bosses, no exceptions. Put your damn money where your mouth is.

Solarpower said:

So ? You took 500 damage per second, die, respawn, wait till the monsters despawn and continue playing. What's not so consistent in that huh ?

Oh, I know, I know ! I forgot about Spectre armor. Yes ! Another presumably "healing" item that is totally useless...

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it's true that taking 500 damage per second totally happens everytime on Terraria
seriously this doesn't make any sense

Bro I am not gonna lie, while I do agree that Vampire Knives and Spectre Hood are broken, I also question if we really should nerf them. Lifesteal is really, really hard to balance and one mistake can make the items extremely bad. They should be nerfed in the way that they will not be a greater healing potion every 5 seconds, but still be useful healing items.

Solarpower said:

Healing potions can be used after the combat. Vampire Knives can't and useless in combat too.

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What if I were to tell you that you can defeat Duke fishron with this thing without moving and even make it your main weapon with enough melee gear like Fire Gauntlet, Sharpening station, ichor flasks and Turtle/Beetle armor with full warding accessories until Moon Lord?

Even Red is aware that Vampire Knives and Spectre Hood are broken. he made the Moon Lord immune to lifesteal on purpose. Vampire Knives' healing is so broken that even if they had 1 melee damage, they would still be a SS tier weapon that makes you impossible to die. Basically the same phenomena as the Zenith: Zenith would still be the strongest weapon if it had 1 melee damage.

Meowlegend said:

I also question if we really should nerf them. Lifesteal is really, really hard to balance and one mistake can make the items extremely bad. They should be nerfed in the way that they will not be a greater healing potion every 5 seconds, but still be useful healing items.

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Keep the burst cap at 70, but reduce the recovery per second from 30 to 5. This makes them a greater healing potion every 30 seconds instead, and because the burst cap is not reduced you don’t need to be constantly using them to benefit from their healing. You could also reduce it to 4 or even 3 to make it a greater healing potion every 37.5 seconds or 50 seconds respectively. There, easy, and you can safely remove Moonbite from the game once this is done, too!
Lifesteal is not hard to balance at all. Look at Life Drain for example, that’s an item that’s commonly considered both balanced and extremely good.

For those who don’t know, vampire knives actually have a cap of 70 but this cap refills by 30 every second, which basically means that you restore 70 instead of 30 health for the first second you’re using them and then restore 30 health every second after until you switch off them.

Dapling said:

Keep the burst cap at 70, but reduce the recovery per second from 30 to 5. This makes them a greater healing potion every 30 seconds instead, and because the burst cap is not reduced you don’t need to be constantly using them to benefit from their healing. You could also reduce it to 4 or even 3 to make it a greater healing potion every 37.5 seconds or 50 seconds respectively. There, easy, and you can safely remove Moonbite from the game once this is done, too!

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This seems like the best option. This would make them a good supporting weapon to use when your health is low, and not a weapon that heals you as much as a greater healing potion every 5 seconds that can easily become a main weapon with a few melee gear.
Do this for the spectre hood, too. And if you do this for the spectre hood, you might even remove the damage reduction of the spectre hood.

Dapling said:

Lifesteal is not hard to balance at all. Look at Life Drain for example, that’s an item that’s commonly considered both balanced and extremely good.

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Life drain doesnt exactly lifesteal though. Only the Vampire Knives and Spectre Hood has the direct lifesteal mechanic.
The reason why I consider lifesteal as a "hard to balance" mechanic is because a lifesteal item can either make you impossible to die or barely even heal. One mistake can make the items extremely bad or extremely broken. But balancing isnt entirely impossible of course, and lifesteal items can be balanced support items that doesn't make you immortal.
In fact, you can make more lifesteal weapons if you make them balanced.

Meowlegend said:

Life drain doesnt exactly lifesteal though

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It does. It heals 1.5 hp per second + 0.5 per additional enemy with no cap. It’s hard to see it in action just because it lacks the visual feedback vampire knives have.

Dapling said:

Keep the burst cap at 70, but reduce the recovery per second from 30 to 5. This makes them a greater healing potion every 30 seconds instead, and because the burst cap is not reduced you don’t need to be constantly using them to benefit from their healing. You could also reduce it to 4 or even 3 to make it a greater healing potion every 37.5 seconds or 50 seconds respectively. There, easy, and you can safely remove Moonbite from the game once this is done, too!
Lifesteal is not hard to balance at all. Look at Life Drain for example, that’s an item that’s commonly considered both balanced and extremely good.

For those who don’t know, vampire knives actually have a cap of 70 but this cap refills by 30 every second, which basically means that you restore 70 instead of 30 health for the first second you’re using them and then restore 30 health every second after until you switch off them.

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This is 5 hp/s or 3 charms of myths just from having a weapon in your hotbar, Valhalla Chest is still stupidly strong at 4 hp/s and thats a whole armor piece

Stored healing is a mistake, the drawback of Vampire Knives healing is below average dps, that dynamic disappears if you only have to use it for 5% of a boss fight

J Bame said:

Stored healing is a mistake, the drawback of Vampire Knives healing is below average dps, that dynamic disappears if you only have to use it for 5% of a boss fight

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I’m okay with vampire knives being a sidearm with low cast time considering most other sidearms have the exact same amount of cast time (often less) for their reward. I don’t see why vampire knives should be any different.

J Bame said:

This is 5 hp/s or 3 charms of myths just from having a weapon in your hotbar, Valhalla Chest is still stupidly strong at 4 hp/s and thats a whole armor piece

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hence why I suggested 4 or even 3 hp/s. Anywhere between 3 and 5 is acceptable imo.

J Bame said:

This is 5 hp/s or 3 charms of myths just from having a weapon in your hotbar, Valhalla Chest is still stupidly strong at 4 hp/s and thats a whole armor piece

Stored healing is a mistake, the drawback of Vampire Knives healing is below average dps, that dynamic disappears if you only have to use it for 5% of a boss fight

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Anywhere between 3 to 5 is okay. Keep in mind this is a biome chest weapon based around lifesteal, it should have some good healing.

Harpoon: I would only support a minor damage buff, also the piranha gun idea wouldn't work great. Harpoon is a single projectile and enemies are a lot "tankier" at this point, so it would be a big sacrifice to dedicate all your focus to one enemy for awhile.

Chain Knife: It's a bonus weapon that you can get from bats, in no situation do you grind for it. It acts as a higher ranged version of the spear for its point in progression, not competing with the other flails.

The Meatball: What other melee weapons? Post-Evil-Pre-Skeletron-Pre-Jungle is basically just the Butcherer and the Meatball. If you're saying the jungle weapons, the ball of hurt is also outclassed by them, and can be obtained at the same time.

Artery: I think the real solution is just make all the jungle weapons harder to obtain because rushing for the jungle weapons has always been a great strategy to get excellent gear super early.

Ore Swords/Spears: They're there if you don't have access to a better weapon. Say you didn't craft night's edge, or haven't been able to access areas with better weapons. Ore weapons (and armor) are a grind to get most of the time, I don't mind that they're mostly optional.

Starfury: Just nerf the star's damage to be the same of the swords. No need to nerf the weapon, then create an unnerfed version of it that's just marginally better than the nerfed version found in the only locked sky island chest. (also this would change sky island generation rules).

Flamarang: Flamarang is better than the trimerang damage wise. By quite a lot too.

Optic Staff: Aside from fun factor, their main thing is that there are two of them, with retinamini dealing slightly above base damage, and spazmamini dealing base damage but piercing many targets. Also blade staff requires a lot of set up, and sanguine staff got a huge nerf recently.

Demonite/Crimtane items:
Because why would you not? It's still an upgrade and you probably have leftovers, and you can use it to make getting your next upgrades easier, whether than be bee's knees or molten fury.

Dungeon items:
Most of mage's best weapons come from the dungeon. And like the previous statement, why would you not use blue moon while you're waiting for a shadow key to grab the sunfury.

Dapling said:

I’m okay with vampire knives being a sidearm with low cast time considering most other sidearms have the exact same amount of cast time (often less) for their reward. I don’t see why vampire knives should be any different.

hence why I suggested 4 or even 3 hp/s. Anywhere between 3 and 5 is acceptable imo.

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Meowlegend said:

Anywhere between 3 to 5 is okay. Keep in mind this is a biome chest weapon based around lifesteal, it should have some good healing.

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There is not a single sidearm worth 2-3 accessory slots, and getting healing with only the cost of tiny micro, aiming and DPS is far too good, makes Vampire Knives less of a weapon and more so a permanent upgrade

Meowlegend said:

I hope I don't come rude but holy , your arguments are so ing terrible, no one is gonna agree with you.

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Dapling said:

You probably should learn the meaning of the term “consistency” if you want to be taken seriously here.

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Solarpower said:

What's not so consistent in that huh ?

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muovd🌳 said:

Damn, a war broke out while I was away, lol.

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muovd🌳 said:

, I think they would be great to look into as well. I think there should be a difficulty-dependency for the lifesteal items too.

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The cap is already raised in normal mode to 36 hp/s or something like that, so the code for that is already there and would be easy to implement.

J Bame said:

There is not a single sidearm worth 2-3 accessory slots, and getting healing with only the cost of tiny micro, aiming and DPS is far too good, makes Vampire Knives less of a weapon and more so a permanent upgrade

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I’m okay with that, considering how late in the game it is and how difficult it is to obtain, so I’ll probably just agree to disagree here.